Saturday, 21 August 2010

Dylan: "Get out of the car, Ochs"

The most famous story concerning Phil Ochs and Bob Dylan deals with Ochs criticizing one of Dylan's songs and Dylan tossing Ochs out of a limousine, but the details have become muddied over time.

One of the more common explanations pegs the song in question as "Can You Please Crawl Out Your Window?" See, for example, Wikipedia's summary:
Dylan played the song to Phil Ochs as the two were riding in a limousine. When Ochs expressed a lukewarm feeling about the piece, Dylan kicked him out of the limousine, yelling "You're not a folk singer. You're a journalist."
The song, in fact, was not played in the car, and it was in fact another song recorded at the same session in 1965: "One of Us Must Know (Sooner or Later)." This was explained by Ochs to Rolling Stone and to author Marc Eliot (who included the anecdote in his revised outro to Death of a Rebel). The story as usually told at least captures the sentiment correctly: Ochs felt that Dylan was losing his songwriting clarity in the material recorded for Blonde On Blonde, and Dylan felt that Ochs' writing on political matters was "bullshit," and that only expressions of a personal nature mattered (this was a change, of course, from his early embrace of topical songwriting).

Undoubtedly Ochs didn't mind being called a journalist (his early shows billed him as the "singing journalist") but he remarked that it was upsetting to hear his idol (Dylan) saying that his songwriting efforts were in vain. The two wouldn't reconcile for nearly another ten years, with Ochs inviting Dylan to the benefit concert An Evening with Salvador Allende in 1974. Ochs also made a brief appearance in Dylan's film Renaldo & Clara, where he takes Dylan's hat before playing a set at Gerde's Folk City, which included his only serious cover of a Dylan song, "Lay Down Your Weary Tune." Somewhat aptly as a metaphor for their relationship, the concert footage cuts just as Ochs begins playing in what became the last film shot of him before his death.


7 comments:

David K. Gosser Jr. said...

The song "Thin Wild Mercury" by Peter Cooper and Synder deals sympathetically with Ochs in this "Get out of the car" episode.

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Unknown said...

Phil Ochs trying to "correct" Bob Dylan
The height of hubris. Its a sitcom, ala Seinfeld.

michele ulysse said...

how would that be possible? One Of Us Must Know and Can You Please Crawl Out Your Windown have never been recorded during the same session. The 2nd song was recorded ONLY in 1966, and the 1st never. Check the facts.

the whole 66 sessions
http://bjorner.com/DSN01225%20(66).htm

the only 2 session in '65 for Blonde On Blonde, you can track CYPCOYW, no OFUMS (Medicine Sunday will transform into Temporary Like Achilles)

http://bjorner.com/DSN00785%20(65).htm#DSN01160

http://bjorner.com/DSN00785%20(65).htm#DSN01200


so?

Unknown said...

Just one example of what an egotistical asshole Dylan was and is. He also use to make fun of Phil Ochs about anything and Phil's drinking problem . Dylan wrote some timeless songs early in his career. It was in Britain circa 1967 that the paying audience payed to hear Dylan's socially conscious songs. But what they got was Dylan telling his band to crank it up and sang rock n roll songs. I was born a christian before Dylan became one. I know the Christian faiths have been twisted and used for wars and mass murder. Dylan meeting the Pope is so apt. they can both go to hell.

Unknown said...

No doubt, the song in question was "One of Us Must Know", according to Ochs himself. However, I'm puzzled to read that the song was not played in the car. Many years ago, I read an interview, most likely in Rolling Stone, in which Ochs related the episode. As I was a fan of both artists, it left a lasting impression, and I remember Ochs' words quite clearly even today.
As I recall, Dylan told Ochs, "You gotta hear my new single; it's there, it's really there," and then he played "One of Us Must Know". Ochs was not impressed. Dylan played it once more; Ochs said, "I like it better, but it's still not there," and Dylan threw him out. Ochs commented: "The man's insane. He could be committed."
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JohnLatham said...

I didn't mean to treat you so bad..Yes about Phil Ochs. Dylan can write and sing about it but face to face expression of this is not Dylan's strength. Maybe that's a good thing or we wouldn't have the songs.